the united states is not a beloved and pakistan. and so turning over osama bin laden would not be an easy decision for the pakistani security establishment to make which is why, of course, we didn't tell them that we were going in because we were worried that there would give up the game. >> a reminder to the audience, listening to the california radio program, best-selling author richard north patterson about his current novel, "the devil's light." a question from the audience about a previous novel of yours. the question is, whether you knew obama was going to run when you wrote that book. >> no, i didn't. it had a very interesting experience. in fact, i will tell the story which is why i'm not in the boat or consulting business. in 2004 my wife and i were at the democratic convention in boston. i was doing research for the race. obama had just given his electrifying convention speech. his name was on everyone's lips. i ran into someone that i knew and he was with the obama campaign. he said, do you want to meet barack obama? bara